Tuesday, October 1, 2013

The Bridge Too Far - St. Paul WELS in Muskegon.
Their Old CoWo Service Was Not Boho CoWO


Throughout its 156-year history, St. Paul's Lutheran Church has never hesitated to offer new services it feels the community needs.

Forty years ago, it was an elementary school. Twenty years ago, pre-kindergarten. Child care followed next.

About eight years ago, St. Paul's began offering a contemporary service, with a band leading congregation members in a casual setting, to go along with its traditional service.

Now St. Paul's begins a new church altogether: The Bridge, which aims to reach those who may be unfamiliar with Christian churches.

The Bridge will extend what St. Paul offers in its contemporary services, with a band performing on a stage in the gymnasium. Services will be held Sundays at 10:15 a.m., beginning with a grand opening celebration Oct. 20.

The church wants to share "the good things we have in a way that's familiar and accessible to people who didn't grow up in either the local church or the church world in general," Pastor John Backus said.

"We want to be considerate of where (people) are coming from, if they're new to the community or maybe even new to the concept of church."

In addition to the uplifting music, which will simulate a concert-like atmosphere, the order of service will better serve the intended audience, Pastor Pete Panitzke said. Instead of leading off the service with the confession of sins, for example, the Bridge will put that at the end and focus on broader messages of Christian faith, he said.

Instead of stained-glass windows to convey imagery, the Bridge will use digital means, with video screens set up in the gymnasium. Teachers and pastors will be in jeans, reflecting the church's casual environment.

The Bridge will also offer coffee and a nursery, as well as parking lot attendants who will help people find the correct building.

"We talked a lot about ... what could we do to put (people) at ease, to let them know we're a friendly place where they're not going to get beat up on or judged and sent home with their tail between their legs," Backus said. [GJ - Eighth Commandment!]

St. Paul officials began mulling creating a new church after noting how much the community has changed over the past 30 years, transforming from a rural community to a suburban one, and realizing that many new residents wouldn't have long roots in a local church.
St. Paul Muskegon -
putting the "con" in
confessional.

They got serious enough about the idea to form a task force in April, community outreach coordinator Sally Wallner said. [GJ - Assuming Sally is a girl - another lady pastor.]

Five months later, St. Paul is getting ready to host a whole new church on its campus.

"I'm really looking forward to the opportunity, as a Christian, to share good things about discovering God that can help other people," Backus said. "I'm looking forward to being able to speak honestly and authentically, in a pair of jeans. I'm really going to enjoy the atmosphere."



The Faithless Are Merging Seemlessly with the Emergents - UOJ at Work

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/03/atheist-church-sunday-assembly-islington

'Not believing in God makes life more precious': meet the atheist 'churchgoers'

Queen and Stevie Wonder instead of hymns; a science lecture instead of a sermon. Can church work without belief in God? Esther Addley joins 300 people who say it can
The Sunday Assembly
The Sunday Assembly: Sanderson Jones (left) and Pippa Evans (with guitar) have created a morning that is part-atheist church, part-foot stomping show. Photograph: Sarah Lee for the Guardian
"I feel sorry for the church next door, waiting for their three people to trickle in," says Nick Julius, glancing at the small adjacent hall that will shortly be hosting its own gathering.
There are still 40 minutes before the Sunday Assembly, an atheist service run by two standup comedians, is due to begin, but a queue of eager congregants is already forming outside a grand but crumbling former church in Islington, north London, hands shoved deep into pockets against the cold.
Julius arrived an hour early, just to be sure of a place at the service, which is described by its organisers as "a godless congregation that meets … to hear great talks, sing songs and generally celebrate life". But why? "I came last time and really enjoyed it. It's got all the good things about church without the terrible dogma. I like the sense of community – and who doesn't enjoy a singsong?"
This is only the second time Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans have hosted the monthly event (motto: live better, help often, wonder more), and they admit to being a little overwhelmed by the enthusiasm with which the event has already been greeted.
More than 200 people came to the first event; today there are perhaps 300, with several dozen more carrying on a parallel discussion in a local pub. Inside the nave of the deconsecrated church, volunteers have been bunching chairs closer together, adding extra benches and children's seats in every scrap of space. It is not a problem most vicars struggle with on a Sunday morning.
The Sunday AssemblyThe Sunday Assembly's congregation. Photograph: Sarah Lee for the Guardian
Jones, a tall, bounding figure with a hairstyle and beard verging on the messianic, says the idea emerged from his comedy, where he encouraged those coming to his gigs to get to know one another, and they in turn pressed him for ways to stay in touch and even build small groups. There was clearly a thirst for community, he decided, and perhaps others felt, as he did, that words such as awe and transcendence shouldn't be the preserve only of religious people.
"I would go to a carol service or a friend's wedding, and there would be so much about it that I really liked – the togetherness, the rituals – but I just couldn't get past the God bit." Atheism has been caricatured as a cold, empty position, he says. "But for me, my not believing in God if anything makes my life more precious, knowing that we are here for such a tiny amount of time."
The Sunday Assembly may be godless, but a churchgoer who stumbled through the wrong door would find much they recognised.
The service opens with a song, led by Evans and an enthusiastic band at the front; instead of a hymn, however, it is "Don't Stop Me Now" by Queen ("We've chosen something that allows hamming it up to the max"). The service features a reading, a moment of reflective silence, even a collection to pay for the rental of the church, during which people are invited to turn in the pews and greet those sitting beside and behind them. The plan in future is to engage members in community-based good works.
There is also a sermon, of sorts, on the day's theme of "wonder", which sees Dr Harry Cliff, a particle physicist from Cambridge, talking aboutDirac's equation predicting antimatter ("the most amazing theory in history") and the enormous statistical odds against the universe existing in the first place. The congregation then stands to sing Superstition by Stevie Wonder.
Might the early popularity of the Sunday Assembly hint at the start of something that could take off on a large scale? Andrew Copson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association, is sceptical, noting that a wave of atheist churches were formed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, but petered out because people found other forms of social organisation that suited them better.
"I think it's an interesting development but it's something that's been tried many times before. What's probably different is that there's a strong entertainment element. It's an entertainment as well as a communal activity. It just happens to be on a Sunday morning."
David Robertson, director of the Solas Centre for Public Christianity and a Free Church of Scotland minister in Dundee, is also doubtful. "I can understand why the format of church would be very appealing," he says, "but I do think it's going to appeal only to one particular section of the community" – what he calls "a middle-class cultural elite".
"The church is focusing on following Jesus Christ, and that cuts across cultures and across communities," he adds.
Having been startled by the popularity of the event, Jones insists his thinking about expanding the assembly has stretched only so far as adding an additional service next month, to be held in the afternoon. But there are signs that the idea could bear replicating.
Neil Denham and a small group of friends have come from High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire, hoping for inspiration. "We were just looking for ideas, whether something like this could work outside London," he says. Their verdict? "Some of the things I thought really wouldn't work, like the singing, were really good. Normally I hate singing."
Churches do a lot of what they do "because it works", he notes, "Atheists make a mistake to look at church and throw it all out just because they don't believe in God."
• This article was amended on 4 February 2013. The original referred to David Robertson as a Church of Scotland minister rather than a Free Church of Scotland minister. This has been corrected.




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Right. And I confess once again that I shamefully fell into this same horrible error myself a decade ago here on LQ. When I argued against the universal objective imputation of Christ's righteousness, I thought I could do so while keeping faith from being man's contribution to the deal. However, if my faith, even if it is a gift, is what the object of my faith is, then it has nothing. Thanks to faithful members here, especially Pr. Rolf Preus, over a very long period of debate and argumentation, I learned the beautiful truth that everything that is true of subjective justification is true objectively, including the imputation of Christ's righteousness. Thus, the object of faith is Christ and His work. Faith is simply the instrument by which all these objective truths are applied subjectively by God to those to whom He gives faith. If they are not true objectively, they cannot be applied subjectively, and faith looks to itself instead of to Christ.

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Robert Preus earned two doctorates - Rolf none.
Scaer's education was exclusively parochial,
and it shows.
Repeat after me - graduate!

Two Laymen Say What the Unbelieving Lutheran Leaders Cannot

Read this carefully -
this is most certainly true.


http://www.intrepidlutherans.com/2013/09/whither-blog-fellowship.html#comment-form

Tim Niedfeldt said...
Daniel,

I think you have just illustrated the issue. Pastors swear an oath to defend the confessions. They do NOT swear to uphold WELS confessions. The WELS "This We Believe" is not a confession. It was written in the last 30 years. It is a statement and nothing more.

A pastor has the duty to defend the Lutheran Confessions (circa 1580...not 1932 or 1980). If the body they belong to strays from them, I'd say every pastor should bring the matter to attention. You rightly say that if WELS severs fellowship with said pastors it has that right. I agree whole heartedly. I think every pastor kicked out should wear that as a badge of honor. It is a statement. I am happy for those who stand up for Biblical truth and the confessions.

Their removal is a testimony that WELS now has its own confession. That is what pastors must now confess to stay in fellowship. (ELCA also has this...the gap between their "confession" and the BOC is just a touch wider than the new WELS "confession")

I am not sure of your age, but I was confirmed using the Gausewitz catechism. I grew up with KJV and TLH. Do you know that you could not be confirmed with that catechism in the WELS anymore? If I confessed my faith according to that catechism to Pastor Bucholz he would deny my confirmation. There is no mention of UOJ in it. Do you know how many hymns in CW are changed overtly or subtlely to soften it's focus on Justification by faith? It's alarming.

So my apologies to Pr. Rydecki but I don't care that he got removed. The jackboot of fellowship is a gift. It shows the WELS has their own confession and they will not even take time to discuss the possibility that this new contrived confession is not in accordance with the actual Lutheran confessions.

I only wish more would get removed for the same reason.

Tim Niedfeldt

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rlschultz said...
Mr. Niedfeldt'
Thank you for stating so succinctly what I have been unable to put into words. I was also schooled with the Gausewitz catechism and TLH. I have noticed how many in the WELS are very adamant and vocal about cultural/moral/political issues. But, when you would like to talk to them about the downward slide in the WELS, you are either ignored or treated like you just insulted someone's mother. Many of these members are "WELS connected". They take it personally as they have friends and relatives in places in the WELS.
This has been read over 52,000 times.
Notice how it parallels H. Jacobs' statement,
using different words.

I posted this against Wilken to refute the UOJists on Facebook.
They erased it, but the Wilken-McCain-Harrison
claque - they are the real Lutherans!

Lutherdom Led by Unbelievers - Forget the Band-aids and Resolutions

Bishop Katy probably took this photo.
She cannot even spell on her own websty -
that says a lot about the clowns who gather around
Mark and Avoid Jeske.
In the background: Jeske finger-puppet Doug Engelbrecht.

Universal Objective Justification unites the work of ELCA-WELS-LCMS-ELS. 

Most Lutheran blogs are a waste of time and pixels, because they avoid the real issue and dance around such topics as "Should I bless with two fingers for the Two Natures or three for the Holy Trinity?" Some are thinking, "He is kidding," but that was the big topic in Russian Orthodoxy when Marxism was taking over that country.

Lutherans are no less silly during the same kind of crisis, although this one is murdering millions of souls rather than just taking lives.

Presiding Bishop Elizabeth Eaton, ELCA, is an unbeliever.

Synod President Matt Harrison, LCMS, is an unbeliever.

Synod President Mark Schroeder, WELS, is an unbeliever.

Circuit Pastor John Moldstad, ELS, is an unbeliever.

The four leaders, all duly elected, are unbelievers because they advocate the peculiar position of rationalistic Pietists in the 19th century - everyone is forgiven and saved, even before birth. For them, the church's mission is simply to tell the cannibals, head-hunters, CPAs, and polytheists that they were born saved and forgiven. These people have to make a decision for UOJ to be really truly actually factually forgiven and saved, but they are nevertheless forgiven and saved anyway. I will leave the numbskull faculties to figure out how to explain that.

The unity of UOJ explains why no one should bother to hinder these monsters by passing resolutions, forming committees, or applying pressure to do something good.

Let's start with the vindictiveness of Lutheran leaders getting rid of someone who disagrees with them. They are not happy until they drive that person away, with great personal cost to the object of their wrath - loss of income and benefits, slander, and destroying friendships. WELS takes this down to the college level, where they get rid of good students for questioning something (but not for promoting a gay video).

Everyone wants to discuss the symptom instead of dealing with the cause.

A bad tree (unbelief) can only bear evil, corrupt fruit. Only unbelievers like Mark Schroeder and Jon-Boy Buchholz could excommunicate a pastor, eject a congregation, and foreclose on the mortgage. Schroeder and Buchholz, billed as reformers who would ride to the rescue of WELS, are just two more examples of unbelievers serving their Father Below. More examples of their flipping can be seen in becoming Mark Jeske Church and Change lapdogs, Jeff Gunn cheerleaders, and Engelbrecht-Ski enablers.

KJV Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are 
ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Everything is covered in that one passage. We can and should judge these unbelieving leaders by their evil fruit. They can invoke the Trinity and celebrate Holy Communion until Doomsday - they are still workers of iniquity.

Look at those two liars and mountebanks Matt Harrison and Paul McCain. Why do they posture about being "confessional Lutherans" -- a meaningless term today -- while working with ELCA and kissing up to Roman Catholicism? They are unbelievers.

Do not try to figure which of their conflicting creeds Harrison and McCain actually believe - they believe nothing. They have a different message for each individual, each group, with one grand conclusion - "Keep us in our sinecures where we can shun the work of a pastor or live like royalty on Thrivent grants."

A close examination of LCMS and WELS history will show that both groups had (and still have) a contingent teaching justification by faith alone. Only recently has UOJ taken over the leadership. Lutherans still own and use the original Gausewitz and the KJV Catechism, both of them lacking UOJ entirely. McCain attacks justification by faith while selling a justification by faith catechism (KJV).

Contradictions abound. Buchholz had to excommunicate Pastor Rydecki faster than a jester takes a pratfall, but no one excommunicated VP Paul Kuske for the same crime against Halle University. Why? Among unbelievers, the political demands of expediency decide the issue.



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WELS Sewership Message:

Christians, too, can become burdened by the general affluence of society so that we become apathetic to the crying needs of the world around us.  And the greatest need is that of hearing the gospel message.  Since there is only ONE WAY that happens - through the church (small letter c) - it means people MUST be actively involved, not apathetic.  Pew sitters are not to be couch potatoes. Church members are to be excited about using all that God provides to proclaim the good news of Christ...
"WELS Sewership Corner (Reflections on the First Lesson; Amos 6:1-7)."